Here is the second part of the band history I wrote about fifteen years ago. Part one can be found here. Unfortunately, I only made it about a paragraph into part three before I had to return the computer I was using. I’ve been trying to get back into the flow ever since.
The Meat Puppets celebrated their first anniversary with little to show for it. When the Star System closed, Phoenix punks lost their only regular hangout. We’d played in an old barn under the freeway on New Year’s Eve, but that had been torn down. We did an outside gig for a record store grand opening, but the owner had torched the place for insurance soon afterward. We even did a one-off Saturday afternoon performance at a school for retarded children.
We even lost our rehearsal space in January after my mom’s divorce had become final and my family moved to a quieter neighborhood. We tried using Cris and Curt’s mom’s house, but she was clearly not into it. Every time I came over to practice, she managed to find a day’s worth of chores for us to do. Finally, we moved into a friend’s basement. That solved our problems for a while, until one night someone let the air out of all my tires.
Meanwhile, we continued to make periodic visits to Los Angeles, playing with either Monitor or the Human Hands. We met Boyd Rice, who performed under the name of NON. His act consisted of plugging two noise generators into the P.A. and berating the audience over the din. One night, we met the guys from The Urinals. They invited us to contribute to a compilation they were putting out on their label, Happy Squid. The Los Angeles Free Music Society also wanted something for one they were doing. We recorded “H-Elenore” for Happy Squid, and gave the L.A.F.M.S. a wild version of “Meat Puppets.”
While in Los Angeles, we attended a Throbbing Gristle show put on by a friend of David Wiley. Shortly before the show started, David dragged me backstage. He pushed me in front of two bald guys.
“Derrick Bostrom, meet Chuck Dukowski and Geneisis P. Orridge.” Genesis took advantage of the break in conversation to walk away. Chuck fixed me with a withering smirk.
“Are you SWA?” He asked. I shrugged. Chuck excused himself.
“What was that all about?” I asked David as we returned to our seats. As the house lights dimmed, Chuck mounted the stage along with about two-dozen punkers. He asked the audience the same question he’d asked me. His cronies stood around with their arms raised in a fascist salute.
“What kind of opening band is this?” I demanded. David shook his head.
We spent most of the summer at Laurie and Steve’s house in Van Nuys, where we received a crash course in trash culture. Soon we were digging Charles Manson, Annette Funicello records, and dinner fished from the bins behind the corner grocery store.
One day, Laurie asked us to record a song for their album. Though Monitor were nominally “punk,” their material tended towards the atmospheric. They had only one song that “thrashed,” and they could barely play it. Anyway, she said, they liked how we did it better. As payment, Monitor offered to finance the recording and release of a Meat Puppets EP on their label.
So we got up early one day, had a nice breakfast at Denny’s, and drove to a studio in Silver Lake. Much to our amazement, the engineer was Ed Barger, who’d recorded Devo’s first singles. Monitor’s gear was already set up, so all we had to do was plug in and get comfortable. We nailed Monitor’s song “Hair” in one take, as well as five of our own. We saw when we’d finished that everyone in the control room was in hysterics.
Our record did better than we’d hoped, selling out the initial one thousand copies and two additional pressings of five hundred each. It got great reviews and was even called “commercial” by one publication. Laurie bought a half-page ad in “Flipside” magazine and wrote a glowing piece about us in the concert review section.
Back in Phoenix, the club situation continued to be unstable. The Solid Gold, a converted movie theater in Scottsdale, lasted less than three months. Next was a gay bar called the Mardi Gras. The clientele got on well with the punks, the employees were friendly, and the owner was cool. But after only three weekends, the place burned to the ground.
One night we all got together at John and Gary from Killer Pussy’s house to meet a new guy and discuss his plans to put on shows at an old wrestling arena owned by his family. Tony Victor was about our age, and while his air was friendly enough, the purpose of his visit was clearly business. He outlined the details of his club, Madison Square Garden, and his promotion company, Mersey Productions.
“We won’t serve liquor so we’ll be able to admit kids without any hassles from the police,” Tony explained, “and my uncle has a karate school, so bouncers won’t be a problem.”
We were all pretty amused by the formality of his presentation, especially after he produced contracts formalizing our agreement to perform at his club a month hence.
“See you in court!” Gary hooted as Tony made his exit.
Mad Garden was a cavernous old building in downtown Phoenix. We played in the wrestling ring in the center of the room. It was surround by a chain link fence that hung from the ceiling, and the stage bounced us around like a trampoline. The gig came off without a hitch and no one got sued.
A couple of months later, I got a call from Joe Carducci, whom we’d met during a trip to San Francisco. He and his partner Jon Boshard had put out a record by Monitor on their label, Thermidor, a surf 45 released under the pseudonym “The Tikis.”
Thermidor was interested in doing a Meat Puppets album. However, Joe explained, he was moving to L.A. to work for Black Flag’s label, SST. So, while Thermidor would finance the record, SST would get the license to release it. SST would handle the distribution, and Joe would oversee the promotion.
The necessary arrangements were made, and that November we found ourselves in the studio with Black Flag’s engineer SPOT. The sessions were tedious from the start. Cris and Curt were uncomfortable wearing headphones, so we set up all the equipment together in the same room. We would sacrifice separation for a live feel. It took us three different sessions to get takes we liked.
Chuck Dukowski and Greg Ginn, Black Flag’s bassist and guitarist, helped set the stage several nights before, during a radio interview. Identifying themselves as the leaders of “this whole movement,” thye proceeded to catalog our failures. Our name wasn’t sexy, our look was wrong, our songs didn’t adhere to the formula, and our execution was unintelligible.
“What are these guys trying to prove?” said Chuck. “Do they think people are going to respect this? No way.”
“But wait a minute,” the host exclaimed. “Aren’t they going to be recording for your label?”
“We’re obligated by contract,” said Greg.
They were joking, but it seemed some of the camp followers, weren’t so sure. The various teenage hangers-on that crowded the SST compound didn’t know what to make of us. Our long hair did nothing to ease their suspicions. So, after we recorded fourteen songs, we left Laurie to supervise the mix-down and beat a hasty retreat back to Phoenix.
In the ensuing months, we would come to regret that decision.









Another fine installment, Bostrom. Also, what’s this I hear stirring on Curt’s MySpace site?
You can ignore those stirrings. There’s nothing to them.
so. . . this is it, huh? no new installment coming? sigh – such a tease! But, seriously, this is really interesting. All the smart, cool people I know have come to the consensus that someone should write a MP book (or at least include you guys – a la “Our Band Could Be Your Life” – a major oversight in that one.) But maybe you can find your “flow” & get back to this. Thanks for sharing!
I didn’t say there would be no more installments; I just said that’s all I wrote fifteen years ago!
You must make a tour through South America.
Come to Chile !
If you are friends with the Peppers, Pearl Jam or Mudhoney ask them how does it feel to play here……..”like the beginning of the nineties,” they would say.
Saludos and glad that your writting! JMP
please continue….i always wondered what happened with sst
I saw Chris at a party. We were discussing Edmus Scary, Mad Gardens, and the old downtown scene. Chris looked good. It got me thinking of the first Puppet show I saw, it was at Crash Arts, Sun City Girls opened. Curt had these great boots on and a purple sparkling Kramer. I was 15 at the time and for me, a kid from the westside, it got me to ask my mom for a guitar on my birthday. 20 years later and two weeks ago, we just finished recording in LA with Bam Bam from JFA to get ready for a Netherlands tour this summer. Thanks
Don’t ask me why, but I was searching for Edmus Scary and came across this site. I’d forgotten all about Mad Garden. And Mardi Gras and the Church and a bunch of other places. JFA, Grant and the Geezers, Puppets… man it brings back some memories.
jeez, you spelled my name right, got the sst relationship right . . . . . whata pro! as it happens, todya, i have a cassette SITTING RIGHT HERE ON MY FLOOR of the rough mixes of that first album. after one too many listens, i just HAD to go buy an electric guitar, thanks.
Wow! A seriously distant voice from the past! Furthermore, you’ve weighed in with a rarity that’s eluded even my collection! I have none of the rejected mixes from the first album sessions! As I recall, Ed Barger and Laurie O’Connell took two different passes at the tapes, both drenched in reverb. This may require some personal correspondence!
Sadly, I didn’t discover the Meat Puppets until after they broke up. But they’ve become my favorite band and I’d die happy if I could see them perform just once. I’ve tracked down all the albums on vinyl. I feel nostalgia for an era I never experienced every time I see them on video. It’s a strange feeling.
Hi, Derrick, I tried to post this before on another page but I think I screwed it up and it didn’t post.
Anyway, I first came across you guys when my friends in the Urinals and the Last started putting together two compilations, Keats Rides a Harley and Warfrat Tales. I was the drummer for Earwigs, S-Squad, and Hector and the Clockwatchers on those records. We came to see you at the Cathay de Grande right after Keats came out… I’ve loved your guys ever since.
Favorite album is Up on the Sun – it was the soundtrack to a camping trip I made to Zion Canyon in Utah. Swimming Ground is forever a reminder of that trip!
Thanks for all the great content here – you’ve rekindled my love of the Pups.
Too High to Die is one of the first albums I ever bought. I was definitely excited to hear that the band is going to be releasing a new album soon! You guys are amazing.